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MessagesHi TK, Who did u sell the Lobsters to?
MessagesI sold lobsters in Randle for $7.00 a lb, White chanties are $5.00 and yellows are $8.00, I didn't ask about huckelberries which is what most people are picking now. There is now five buy stations set up in Randle, within two weeks it will probaly be ten!
Messagesi think i got over 40 a lb last year .... maybe not quite but i never went below 10 and my high was around 40 ..... slips i don't get ... private buyer ..... so all this talk about Joe Chung ..... joe who?? no dough ..... heard the chantrelles are coming a bit .... til then ,,, maybe a little walk around tomorrow in between loads ..... til then i'll be in the wood pile .... full buckets and a bit more rain,,, iike 3 inches spread over 10 days
MessagesWhat is the current price walking into a buyer for White Chanty in the Kootenays RIGHT NOW!
MessagesPine Buyer...it is way late tonight, too late to call. Tomorrow I am in the bush and will phone you in the evening....6-7pm your time. NT Morels
MessagesTHX I WISH IT TO RAIN FOR TWO WEEKS, peace out
Messagesthere is no body at the zoo yet so the price is not 40 bl no mushrooms baybe 2 weeks right matsiboog no campers or buyers
Messagesthere is no body at the zoo yet so the price is not 40 bl no mushrooms baybe 2 weeks right matsiboog no campers or buyers
Messagesthere are no buyers at the zoo yet so the mushrooms are not 40 lb matsiboog right
MessagesTHERE ARE NO BUYS AT THE ZOO SO ITS NOT 40 BL NO MUSHROOMS YET
Messagesthere are no buyers at the zoo yet because there is no mushrooms so its not 40 lb right
Messages$40/lb for non-wormy
Messageshello another year of sweet pines to harvest, any buyers at the zoo? plus what is the price per pound?
Messagesi plan on heading to kitwanga-does anyone know if the pines are coming in and what the prices are.any info would be greatly appreciated
Messagesntmorels, I was there last year and it was kind of a bust, but I know they can go good there. I will be able to take your call at 250-672-0324(tonight) or 250-672-0043(today) cheers!
MessagesHello, I have found what appears to be a large emergence of Pine Mushrooms in an area of the southern NWT. Large as in many hundreds of pounds...although for these mushrooms, this year, the season seems to be very advanced. I am looking for a buyer/buyers to whom I might ship these mushrooms...air frieght from Hay River NT.... I have no experience with the Pine trade, although I do know enough to positively identify this species...would appreciate any link to buyers that you can post. Regards
MessagesNakusp area - what's up there?! we are heading out there next week. spoke with a buyer a few days ago. little volume coming in in town. Bushman Dan - there may be some interest in your wild shrooms in Revelstoke. talk with chefs early afternoon. Peace. (no responses re: Joe Chung stuff?!...if some truth then PINE prices will stay low for a very long time. Time will tell).
Messagescougarman ,,you get a few white shants on the island.... i've only nosed around there once and found a few but no whites ..... i get lots around here ,,very aromatic and probably could find some pines now too but they would only be around my indicator trees.... red capped scabre stalk also.... had some rain now and been cool in the evenings .... if you have a big market for whites let me know.... i guess i could shop them here also ..... kinda busy doing firewood and fence rails .... i have wood from here to highwater .... ger
MessagesHI Geezer still pretty slow and the Lobsters are not very popular right now, so everyone is on quotas... sigh. But the little rain we got has the Chantys pretty at least ;-)
MessagesBushman Dan,yes,you do have to cross over to Nukusp.There are no buyers open for pines yet,but, I'm sure if you were to bring some in they would open.There is a buyer open for the shantys.
MessagesPicking North of Shelter Bay South of Revelstoke...where is the nearest buyer?....do I have to cross over to Nakusp? And what are the going rates for Chanty and Lobsters right now?
MessagesI'm gonna follow the smell from Cougarman down through the lava flows to the point of sell! See you there!
MessagesHere in Washington it should start in a couple weeks and start to pop in three! For pines that is, everything else is showing!
MessagesHey Carla - what's going on down your way? Are you in Coos Bay? Gettin chants/lobsters/matsis? Any volume? I'm gonna fight some crowds this weekend to see if I can get a couple of pounds of chants on the Oregon coast. Just wondering what it looks like.
Messageschuckle... some info. to mull over. there are buyers in Nakusp. look for signs or ask around. great prices for pines and most likely for a person or two (not realisitic for most), interesting news about the Real Commercial Monopoly re: a grip on air freight by Joe Chung and all that that involves... if there is some truth then there's milleniums of years of strict and harsh business methods by those in the orient based on history. responses...!? much greater attention and research is needed there if true. stay safe and have a great time in the forests folks, peace.
MessagesIts great reading these posts. We are what the mushrooms are all about, this is the campfir to spin yarns around and I am gratefull for it. We see things out there that the general masses will never see. You what I'm saying... the FEVER. Like the cats in Nac who just hit buttons and are looking for buyers. Right now five number ones in a wood box sell for $500.00 in Tokyo. Last year I started off and got $45.00LB for #1s. I offer to cut and it there are worms I sell em cheaper, I settled down to $20.00 then when I had plenty down to $12... however the mix of all grades were $10LB, however Chantys are what people on the Island like in general, find yer market and you can get $12.00. Organize a bit and have someone selling 3 days a week, move 200LB thats $4800.00 gross, split 3 ways... this is modest loot$. ( we got a record rain yesterday!) C
MessagesWhen they do come on I hope we all get a fair price, if we don't ,we should remember what TC showed us and mimick it!
MessagesAny news on Kitwanga?
MessagesHi everybody just wondering if there is any buyers in nakusp area.Me and my buddy hit some poundage today looking to sell.No worms just nice buttons
MessagesJust writing what I heard man. Does anyone pick according to what they hear anyways. Just a place to vent @ times I guess. Be happy the season is coming despite what happens, we are only on this earth for a short time. I don't mind the money but, I love being out there more. Lower Naas always pops before upper. Bless all Matsi fanatics.
MessagesKieth Hunter if you are out there: Going to head up to the Zoo here pretty quick...could probably talk a few folks into selling to you if you want to try your hand at pines this year - if any of your connections are interested that is. I'll look after the shipping from my end. Just a thought. Oh, and Bunk, if you read this, I'll be camped at the 'S' bends, look for me there.
MessagesHello, I picked Ritchie - Cedarville -Kitwanga-Harper areas over 15 years ago - and now just moved back to Kitimat - I am really feeling "Button Fever" again just reading these posts.....LOL... Anyways, I am just trying to catch up to speed here. I realize it's a different "Pickers World" out there now, and prices will never be the same....but $1-4 per lb???? The problem is I can't resist the urges to get out there again, so even for the fun of it I'm heading out today or tomorrow -soon? - to scout around. I'm looking for anyone Terrace/Kitimat area--wanting to share gas costs for this expedition....I realize the Nass may not be popping quite yet, but I'd like to run around up there and be first on the mountain so to speak.... usually prices are higher at first if I remember correctly...?....anyways anyone interested can call me....I have a good 4x4 Toyota 4door/canopy 250-632-1395 (Mickey & his 2 big dogs who ride in the back wherever he goes...:-)
MessagesHa Ha... Hooo Ho. Good one Cougarman. Only way prices will get back there is if pickers refuse to sell at $1 to $4 an lb. I miss picking but had to get a real job after the bottom fell out of the market. Been rianing here in the interior for about 4 days off and on. Matsi weather. N chance to go out and look. Be safe out there people.
Messageshahahahahah good one! Hey, its 1:am and I heard someone knockin on the roof... a nice gentle rain happening, "welcome rain"... ya, hi Cougarman... "you gonna stick aroun rain?"... oh I dunno C., I may for tres diazs, .... "could ya stay fer maybe 10 days rain?"... I doubt it, I am on the move ya know, I come all the way from across the ocean and down from that skinny part that attaches to Russia... "well I tell ya what rain, you stick around and you can have all the Mushrooms you want"... on one condition.. "whats that rain?"... you get $12.00LB for Yellows and $8.00LB for whites and $45.00LB fer #1-3s Pine OK? "...OK rain, I'll give it a shot. C
MessagesHuge flush of matsies in Nunavut, prices hitting record low since 1974 ($0.75/lb) each picker getting between 300-400 lbs in a few hours pick, no one going off the roadsides. Joe Chung has bought up the airlines and is only using for mushroom transport, no passengers have been able to leave for 2 weeks. Largest white chantrelle picked in southern B.C. in august weighs in at 7.2 lbs and looks like a giant moose antler, King boletes continue to pop at the ol onion, most harvests being worm infested. 2 pickers reported to have been asphyxiated by the hatching flies that had lodged in thier noses. to date 5 lobster mushrooms have been found in British Columbia and are at risk of being put on the endangered species list. More mushroom news as it happens.....
Messagesnothing in the nass nor cranberry or the harper. to dry.couple weeks yet.rain bow warrior don`t know what he is talking about . save your gas. keep fishing warrior.you shouldn`t tell people the nass is poping.....especially when you ain`t gone out there.some people are there to screw with you,wait and see. few wormies in the four pines we found.no camps at the zoo. no buyers either. ps bring lots of food if your going there.it`ll be along wait. was in hazelton,you can smell them. all wormies.that`s a fact. at least another week,two for a buyer
MessagesSorry, didn't see below. Many thanks, cougarman, hard walk, and 26350. What kinds of "amenities" can we expect up at Mushroom Camp, Nass way? And what is needed or wanted? I have a few services potentially available - fresh vege's, fresh water, etc.
MessagesHello, How are the BC pickers doing so far this year? Anything much happening around Cranberry Junction or the Nass area yet? Also interested in 100 Mile House, Canim Lake and Williams Lake areas. Had a great morel hunting trip back in May around there. Thanks, cantarellus
MessagesHi Chuck, We had some sprinkles here last night in Myrtle Point but this morning the ground is still hard and :-( dry
MessagesHi Hepkat. The "Buyer" NEVER sets his or her own price or else we would all pay very good because we make a commission on what we buy and happy pickers are much funner to work with ;-)
MessagesThe Matsi prices are not going to be any better this year. Pickers will sell at $1 to $4 a lb. Buyers know this and will work the prices back to this by mid Sept. This is why the Buyers sell at these prices.... "Because they Can". I had to quit Picking , Go to college and get a real job. I did enjoy the outdoors and miss picking. Be safe out the everyone.
MessagesWeather: Hers a good one- - Enviornment Canada Weatheroffice (www.weatheroffice.gc.ca). Nice sunrise over the malahat this a.m. Clear skys so far..... c
Messageswell good morning just started raining here at 6:am im in eugene oregon HEY!!!!!!!!! just wanted share some imformation with everyone a good way to see whats going on in the cascades is to check road cams they give you the temps and a peek at the weather at diffent locals.I hope its raining good for you to carla. good luck everyone
MessagesVancouver Island Weather: Low temperature records fall! Lowest since 1973 last nite. Now a big dump on its way, prevailing winds are coming down the coast from north west punching moisture to coast... will get the first hit, east side may lag behind a week, I,m talkin Chantys here... Pines maybe 2 more weeks before buttons.. .c
MessagesGood evening all, another GOOD day on the mighty Fraser river with the sockeye running thick. Didn't take long to catch dinner ...............but my mouth is watering for the first feed of pines Mmmmmmmm b4n :)
Messageswhats with the info on harper main...mushroom flush????.aug/29/2010
MessagesAfter double-checking, it looks like the wolverine is indeed almost as rare as the marmot on Vancouver Island. Next to disappear...the Pine mushroom and habitat!
MessagesI don't think the wolverine was thought extinct on Vancouver Island, it's the marmot which is Canada's most endangered animal, thought extinct on the Island in the '90's and is one of the rarest animals on the planet! There are now several captive breeding stations which are slowly increasing numbers .
Messageshey ts for the info 26350 ...its been a few yrs since i've been there and they were actively logging the harper main when i was there ... the buyers were out on the main highway in a hollow below the road... cathy who was from a big french canadian family and two more .... it was quite the little expedition for a month... had a lot of fun,,, brings back memories .... i pick down the coast now mostly ... i often wondered how much logging was done in there after i left .... and if there is still pickings ......... i have reliable wheels now so you never know ..... ger
Messagesthe mushrooms will b e at least 2 weeks as there is still no other kind of srooms growing terrace nas s and cranberry but it is getting wet so wec should get a crop
MessagesTrapping season?
MessagesGulo-Gulo, Vancouver Island Wolverine. Seen two over the years, one last year on a logging road. Not a Fisher. Alot of info on the Net. Red listed but certainly not extinct as thought in the 1960s, hell they hadn't even started to clearcut alot of the Island and only said they were extinct cause nobody seen any... these days plenty of habitat for Gulo- Gulo C :}
Messagesarf. There is active logging on the Arber, which is off a road off another off the Harper.Sorry I can't remember the name of the road off the Harper,but it is just past the Nass river bridge crossing.Any pickers driving the Harper be careful.There are logging trucks coming on to the Harper not far past the Nass river crossing,Visibility is limited due to brush etc... Also garf, the Nass and the Harper usually do not flush at the same time.As you already know every area has its own time line. Also I just talked to a contractor who is starting a brushing contract on the Harper.As for markets for logs,the Chinese have recently signed a major contract for timber on the Orenda road past the former Elsworth logging camp.
Messageshey fellows,. I got's to say this shit,. terror on my backyard, damned, I have found many critters on the woods, however I have never have had a freaking fisher family coming after my ass,no real atack, however damn frightening , since I didn't even had shoes on, damn dude !! thats what happens when you grow mushies with no rodent control , nature finds a controlling system., that was some sketching shit, damn fishers they are more beautifully and a hell of of a lot more vicious than wolverines.
Messages26530,thank u!!
Messagessame old board .... one says the nass is coming good the other says its too dry lol .... how much active logging in the harper??? seems like the markets are still so bad for logs.... anyhow gl when and if they come and i will mind my own patches... gets rid of second hand info.... i was in campbell river area on the weekend and they had some rain for sure.... the sockeye were running hard.... twas good fishing.... full buckets ger
Messagesroadblaster2, Get real. I just drove by the Zoo today. There is nor even a single camper there. Picker I work north of the zoo.We had about four days of heavy rain in the Harper area. I don't know if it was enough to penetrate the duff tho. We have had a really long dry summer.
MessagesI just watched TC and his friends do the mushroom stomp again on You Tube, what a classic! Thats how you deal with those low prices!
MessagesRoadblaster,can u tell me if Kitwanga has had much rain?Thanks for all the info.
MessagesGood day matsi pickers. Been raining well here in the Nass, the celcius @ single digits. Even windy @ times. No definate word on buyers move as of yet, however, there has been talk as early as this weekend. I heard the Zoo is buying, don't know the price though.
MessagesThats right
MessagesThink the Matsi Prices will be any better this year,,,??? "NOT" Buyers know Pickers will still sell at $1-$4 an Lb.
MessagesHad first meal of south coast chants last night, solid buttons, delicious of course!
MessagesI was to quick to realize I mis spelled Terrace, sorry about that Jackie!
MessagesI recently found out a good friend in Terrance is recovering from a surgery so I want to wish her well! That would be you, Jackie, we miss you in Randle, keeping the prices fair and the grade honest! All of us here that know and love you wish you a speedy recovery!
MessagesIf their coming at the Nass , what about Terrace and Crandberry Junction? Any one Know?
Messagessaw pine at the buyer num,2 but its starting nass is starting good thing looked for bolitas not yet anyway all have good pick
MessagesPoppin in the Nass. A couple of weeks ago, since it rained, people have been pickin nice matsi. Been raining buckets all week now, should be better. A few friends came out with a few lbs of hard matsi. Hope to get out there this week sometime. No buyers @ Nass camp yet.
MessagesWell said, Cougarman!
MessagesHowever there are some Chantys comming in on the Island, of course I'll keep that under my hat, however not my territory. I have my own rule of thumb for Matsi... if it starts to rain mid August for 2 weeks, then a good time ahead... looks like some precipitaion by the weekend, however we nee a real good dump. IF we get the moisture and IF the temperature drops, we can still get a good Matsi season without bugs. Many years the big flush can be over by Oct 10th. My sentiments. That said many patches are simply gone by logging, including The Cash Cow which should have been a preserve for locals. . C
MessagesThe chanties I've been watching for three weeks now to grow, dried out from the heat and wind!
MessagesThe chanties I've been watching for three weeks now to grow, dried out from the heat and wind!
MessagesHeard B.C. had a bit of rain...wish we did. Anything doing after all that heat? I am tired of waiting for rain and then nothing happening....seems I've been waiting all year
Messagesnot even looking......
MessagesI am still looking for a Matsi broker so if anyone wants Matsi from my area feel free to give me a call at 541-234-4711
Messageswell its almost time to start picking matsi. The camps are filling up fast theres a lot of pickers already.I would like to wish everyone good luck and be safe and pack in pack out please
MessagesHi, all, still wondering if there will be any buyers in the Sorry, hit the wrong key, I am still wondering if there will be any buyers in the Comox Valley area.
MessagesI wuz picking my nose....
Messageswhat up with Naksup please. any lobster or white chanti's showing? peace.
Messagesjust looking
Messageshello wondering about anyone picking ANYTHING yet???
MessagesNo one at the zoo.It has been a extremely dry summer in the northwest. Fire hazard is extreme.
MessagesWe'll have to wait awhile longer! Nothing to do until rain! Your friend in Tacoma!
Messagesthat is great news about Trudy..hopefully all will be well.As far as a loose moose in the zoo it would be great but i think it may not happen this year as there hasent been a loose moose for about 5 yrs....but you never know......great times were had by all there
MessagesHey, is there going to be a "Loose Moose" at the zoo this year? :-) Missing the good time and awsome friends...
MessagesChanterelles needed ASAP pascal@forestia.biz
MessagesWondering if pines have started in the Nass yet?
MessagesTinker that is great news, thanks for the update on Trudy. I will continue to pray for her recovery!
MessagesThis post is for all those that have been concerned about Trudy Perkins.She had her surgery on Monday,and the doctors are feeling quite confident that they have removed all the cancer.We'll know for sure in about ten days.She is doing well,and her spirits are good. :-)
MessagesThanks for the heads up, Isiwallace, we are here for the truth, and nothing else!
MessagesThe fire wood thiefs were Carriers not Chilcotin, so get things right before you post!!!!
MessagesSaskatchewan must really be producing the chanty's, I just talked with one of my buyers who told me they just bought 4,000/lbs from there!
MessagesThose chanties @ Pike Place are likely from Saskatchewan. We have them in Victoria for $25/lb. Haven't heard of any coming on the island yet.
MessagesPikes Place Market in Seattle is selling Canadian chanty's for $30. a lb, I guess it must be expensive to ship them down here and still make a profit! A friend and I went out today to check our patches and the baby's we seen last week are still to little to pick! The lobster's are few and far between as well!
MessagesJames email me and i will give you a number. chuckwpearson@yahoo.com
MessagesWe are finally getting a crop in Oregon but it is a small one.... Guys that normally have 100 pounds are bringing in 30 every 5-6 days instead of the 3 day rotation... Very odd year.
Messageshey chuck its james from up in clinton get ahold of Deran, Jody or Bob they know how to get ahold of me would like to get intouch with you and still got your coffee pot. Happy pickin man
MessagesMust be the heat........
MessagesHello...... Just a test to see if this board is actually working...... Hmmmmm.....
MessagesNever meant no harm, Mad morel....as I did'nt know that was your tag,just picked it cause of what George AND his gang done to ....well you read the story,[disgusted,tues.aug. 3,2010]...well......I was a pissed off 'mad morel picker' when I read that.And about the garbage,this was not aimed at anyone ...but you we've all come across pop,beer cans, water bottles,candie wrappers.......these people just take and then litter........my appologies.
MessagesEnjoy fresh good food like fish and wild mushrooms as the environment is getting more polluted.. Did anyone see the piles of thousands of bunkers (deepwater fish) washed up on the New Jersey Shore (MSNBC film)? The seagulls did not even want to eat them! ( And yes, southern ocean currents go up the Atlantic Coast). Is something rotten in Denmark too? Ask BP and others......As for me I'm eating my chantrelles when they drop to a dollar this year....Who can get fresh healthy food like that for so little?
MessagesAnyone interested in buying fresh market Morels delivered to the Vancouver area please message chuckwpearson@yahoo.com The price is $20 dollars a pound. Min 60 pound order.
MessagesAre there/will there be any buyers for chanties in the Comox Valley?
MessagesTo whom is the person that has used my name (the mad morel) you need to stand up and use your name and tell me why i am an a embarrasment ?. I have never dump garbage in the forest are anywhere ele's. I do believe you are a person that dose not know what you are taking about. If you like to talk to me about this you can call at (509)594 6467 are you my be just a bag of hot air and don't even weast my time are this board with your word's. Thank you all for not your time........ Andy, Thank you for leting the rest of us have a place on the other board to just let it all out..... by the way I have some yellow chanty's for saleif you need some just call me.
MessagesIm looking to buy volumes of chanterelles, lobsters, cauliflower.. ect.. on an ongoing basis. if interested please call Marc 647 701-9453 or email me at marceber@gmail.com
MessagesPicker email me at west.coastchef@hotmail.com
Messages70/lb my friend
MessagesThanks for the info. Carla. bummer about the cell. thanks too chuck8888 -great info. Cloud cover so no seeing N.Lights. it would've been sper neat. Just returned from Pemberton area. still not much in the forests but some excitment from the slide. all is okay. on route home, we checked Quartz Ck. (lower Qz- Golden area) along hwy 1. WOW! a few flagged out pines. not much else happening. have a good one!
Messagesany one buy hucks on the island ?
Messagesdry mushroom buyer whats your number i might have some for ya if the price is right!
MessagesFor anyone who tried to call me last week.... I left my cell phone at the ATM and someone stole it :-( I have a new one now but couldn't get to any messages from the old one..... Feel free to call me back 541-234-4711
MessagesDitto around Rainer! Same with Cougar, Wa. Cougarman!
MessagesNothing. Nowhere commercial on the Island. Sask Chantys are saying they are 'the best', maybe so casue they have a monopoly for a very short time. I am not even venturing out till Sept. luck , C
MessagesMorals or Morels,shame on you who take whats not yours......you're an embarrasment to the rest of us pickers out there in the woods.[in response to disgusted] also, pack it in pack it out[garbage]
Messageshey sugav where are ya located?
MessagesI need some good hard rain around Mt Rainer, I'm gonna do a rain dance and pray!
Messageshi friends am looking for dry mushroom buyers
MessagesAny Canadian friends see the Northern LIghts this week? Here in Tacoma it was to overcast and to many city lights!
MessagesThanks to latest sponsor, David Weiler. Matsiman
MessagesI have heard the same thing said about lightning strikes.... That it improves Pine production.... OTOH. Is there any morels still happening in B C? That is if you can see in all this smoke.
MessagesI did a little research on solar flares (CME's) seems like the bumper crops of pine came after the Sun tickeled the Earths magneticsphere, wouldn't that be fun?
MessagesHi Wildside, Mostly Lobsters but a few little ugly Chanterelles too.
MessagesI agree i was there too and a camp fire ban is on!
MessagesI would really like to thank the members of chilcotin first nation who have smeared their ancestry by their actions. Stealing firewood from an 80 year old man who takes care of a bunch of cabins... shameful! When he followed them back to their camping area with his wood he confronted them demanding they return what they had taken. George and his Crew threatened to kill the old man. the RCMP were called over the matter. Bow your heads in Shame chilcotin pickers. you win the 2010 morel season walk of shame award.
MessagesJust like to say we pick some yellow sunday about two lb's with three bolete's.
Messageschaneys and lobsters along the coast line were the fog is just a few miles inland. do most of your looking on the north facing side of the hills because most of the wind and water from the fog is coming from northwest this time of the year also look for any kind of water and be sure to look under the ferns thats where you will find the most this time of year and of crouse sum rain would help to. lol peace
MessagesHey Carla, what sort of mushroom species are you seeing? Thank you.
MessagesWe are still having very little volume here on the Oregon Coast also.
MessagesHello folk, Well the chanterelle , black trumpet , hell,, as a matter of fact all the summer mushroom crop in new england was a bust, powder dry, not shrooms at all , with few amazing exemptions , smooth chanterrels ( cantharellus lateritius ] and some [wormy] boletes survived the drought, Those chanterelles are amazing, they can fully regenerate and actually thrive after a massive worm infestation , not even traces of worm holes remain after time, that type of chanterelle appears to grow even healthier after a worm infestation, , at least the weather is not as hot now, hope for some rain and maybe a fall crop, be well all and full buckets to you ,since my bucket is collecting dust,
MessagesROBBO she mentioned you and the pines you stayed at her camp for a night or 2 drank beers and feasted
MessagesThe movie was pretty cool I thought, but I think a lot of people are making a lot of money off another hoax like Y2K, 12/21/12 will be another winter solstice day! By January 2013 a lot of people will feel like fools for beleaving all the hype the shyster's have pulled to make money!
MessagesThanks TK. I'll bite, what's up with 12/21/2012? Copyright © 2001 by Matsiman.com. All
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